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(01/03)(14:56:44) <FrancescoUgolini> +hello
(01/03)(14:56:53) <FrancescoUgolini> +4 minutes and we start
(01/03)(15:02:37) <FrancescoUgolini> +ok
(01/03)(15:02:47) <FrancescoUgolini> +Please call roll
(01/03)(15:03:02) <FrancescoUgolini> +FrancescoUgolini
(01/03)(15:03:56) <jmbuser> -jmbuser: jmbuser
(01/03)(15:05:31) <FrancescoUgolini> +jmbuser, we need to wait some minutes
(01/03)(15:06:01) <pyxel> +MarekMahut
(01/03)(15:07:40) <kanarip> FrancescoUgolini, do you have logging enabled?
(01/03)(15:07:47) <FrancescoUgolini> +no
(01/03)(15:07:55) <FrancescoUgolini> +i just copy and past
(01/03)(15:08:09) <FrancescoUgolini> +every 100 lines
(01/03)(15:08:13) <kanarip> i can send you the log after the meeting if you want
(01/03)(15:08:51) <FrancescoUgolini> +perfect
(01/03)(15:08:56) <FrancescoUgolini> +you are great :)
(01/03)(15:09:03) <kanarip> i know... *uch*
(01/03)(15:09:04) <FrancescoUgolini> +i hope only people join the meeting
(01/03)(15:09:13) <FrancescoUgolini> +please can you roll call ?
(01/03)(15:09:46) <Kick_> +everyone in here ?
(01/03)(15:10:10) <FrancescoUgolini> +i think yes
(01/03)(15:10:11) <kanarip> is this the ambassadors meeting?
(01/03)(15:10:15) <FrancescoUgolini> +yes
(01/03)(15:10:25) <kanarip> because if it is, i'll need to shut up ;-)
(01/03)(15:10:40) <kanarip> alright
(01/03)(15:10:47) * kanarip will just be logging then
(01/03)(15:11:07) * FrancescoUgolini changes topic to 'http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/FedoraMeetingChannel -- Now: Ambassadors Meeting'
(01/03)(15:11:14) <FrancescoUgolini> +ok
(01/03)(15:11:31) <FrancescoUgolini> +i ask all, to roll call:
(01/03)(15:11:31) <FrancescoUgolini> +FrancescoUgolini
(01/03)(15:14:43) <kanarip> JeroenVanMeeuwen, No Ambassador, just a Fedora Community Member
(01/03)(15:14:59) <FrancescoUgolini> +ah
(01/03)(15:15:05) <FrancescoUgolini> +no problem
(01/03)(15:15:36) <FrancescoUgolini> +i think it will better to make only meeting at 22.00 UTC
(01/03)(15:16:35) <kanarip> !
(01/03)(15:16:58) <FrancescoUgolini> +kanarip,
(01/03)(15:17:00) <pyxel> +MarekMahut
(01/03)(15:17:01) <kanarip> maybe also request the ambassadors to attend to the meetings
(01/03)(15:17:02) <kanarip> OEF
(01/03)(15:17:06) <kanarip> EOF, that is
(01/03)(15:17:15) <FrancescoUgolini> +kanarip,  is just an impossible thing
(01/03)(15:17:23) <kanarip> ??
(01/03)(15:17:25) <FrancescoUgolini> +people at this hour (expecially in europe)
(01/03)(15:17:33) <FrancescoUgolini> +are working
(01/03)(15:17:34) <pyxel> +are working
(01/03)(15:17:35) <pyxel> +:)
(01/03)(15:17:40) <kanarip> !
(01/03)(15:17:44) <FrancescoUgolini> +kanarip,
(01/03)(15:17:45) <kanarip> so am i, EOF
(01/03)(15:18:18) <FrancescoUgolini> +yes but many people can't use laptop/computer to attend irc meetings
(01/03)(15:18:33) <kanarip> !
(01/03)(15:18:34) <FrancescoUgolini> +many of us working for business that use m$
(01/03)(15:18:36) <FrancescoUgolini> +kanarip,
(01/03)(15:18:51) <pyxel> +it's not true :P
(01/03)(15:19:01) <kanarip> motion to move the meeting to a time that every ambassador can attend, optionally hold two meetings and split by timezone, EOF
(01/03)(15:19:18) <FrancescoUgolini> +yes, in fact
(01/03)(15:19:53) <FrancescoUgolini> +i propose to make the 1st 3rd and 5th week meeting at 22.00 instead of 14.00
(01/03)(15:20:03) <kanarip> +1
(01/03)(15:20:07) <FrancescoUgolini> ++1 too
(01/03)(15:20:34) <kanarip> !
(01/03)(15:20:39) <FrancescoUgolini> +kanarip,
(01/03)(15:20:45) <FrancescoUgolini> +talk freely
(01/03)(15:20:50) <kanarip> also, get everyone to read the meeting guidelines, using !, ??, EOF, and stuff
(01/03)(15:20:56) <FrancescoUgolini> +this is an informal meeting
(01/03)(15:21:06) <kanarip> it tends to get very messy sometimes, might scare people off
(01/03)(15:21:17) <FrancescoUgolini> +kanarip, yes, but when we are three people it's starnge to use the netwiquette
(01/03)(15:21:27) <jmbuser> -JohnBabich, newbie to Ambassadors
(01/03)(15:21:27) <kanarip> still you're voting on stuff every now and then, everyone wants to say something
(01/03)(15:21:34) <kanarip> agreed on the last argument
(01/03)(15:21:41) <FrancescoUgolini> +jmbuser, welcome, and congratulation for the FDSCO
(01/03)(15:22:02) <FrancescoUgolini> +kanarip, yes
(01/03)(15:22:09) <kanarip> i attended a meeting or two ago on the split / non-split mailing list issue, you have to agree it can get very messy
(01/03)(15:22:24) <jmbuser> -thanks
(01/03)(15:23:10) <kanarip> next agenda item?
(01/03)(15:23:11) <FrancescoUgolini> +kanarip, yes, this is true
(01/03)(15:23:23) <FrancescoUgolini> +kanarip, with 3 people there isn't an agenda
(01/03)(15:23:30) <kanarip> alright
(01/03)(15:23:32) <FrancescoUgolini> +we need a legal number of 7 people
(01/03)(15:23:37) <kanarip> next non-agenda item then?
(01/03)(15:23:50) <FrancescoUgolini> +i think we have to discuss, first of all, jesse Keating mail
(01/03)(15:23:54) <FrancescoUgolini> +*Jesse
(01/03)(15:24:00) <FrancescoUgolini> +ops
(01/03)(15:24:06) <FrancescoUgolini> +Karsten Wade
(01/03)(15:24:09) <FrancescoUgolini> +one
(01/03)(15:24:10) <FrancescoUgolini> +sorry
(01/03)(15:24:28) <kanarip> do you have the URL to the message, please?
(01/03)(15:24:56) <FrancescoUgolini> +ok, i'll give you
(01/03)(15:26:04) <FrancescoUgolini> +https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2007-February/msg00314.html
(01/03)(15:26:37) <FrancescoUgolini> +I think this sentence describe his proposal "The basic idea is to distribute to countries/regions a list of "talking points"."
(01/03)(15:26:40) <kital> +JoergSimon <- late sorry
(01/03)(15:26:49) <FrancescoUgolini> +kital, no problem
(01/03)(15:26:55) <FrancescoUgolini> +this is an informal meeting
(01/03)(15:27:01) <FrancescoUgolini> +we are at all 4 people
(01/03)(15:27:35) <kanarip> ambassadors is a good group to organize such with, i agree
(01/03)(15:28:12) <FrancescoUgolini> +i think all ambassador agree in this proposal
(01/03)(15:28:57) <jlgaddis> +ACTION here (JeremyGaddis)
(01/03)(15:29:48) <FrancescoUgolini> +so i think each country has to work to improve the localisation of this idea
(01/03)(15:29:59) <FrancescoUgolini> +Chitlesh is working on the master
(01/03)(15:30:34) <FrancescoUgolini> +he is waiting more F7 certains, and all the "translators" will work over this
(01/03)(15:30:39) <FrancescoUgolini> +eof
(01/03)(15:30:55) <FrancescoUgolini> +someone want to add something ?
(01/03)(15:30:58) <kanarip> yeah
(01/03)(15:31:46) <kanarip> i think it may be important to emphasize that not the ambassadors of a country/region are to translate everything themselves, rather then organize to get it done
(01/03)(15:31:57) <kanarip> does that make sense?
(01/03)(15:33:03) <FrancescoUgolini> +ah yes
(01/03)(15:33:45) <FrancescoUgolini> +Ambassadors can help translating this one, but as we know there is a big community of translator that working excellent
(01/03)(15:33:57) <FrancescoUgolini> +*are working
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(01/03)(15:34:39) <FrancescoUgolini> +The main activity of the ambassadors will be to promote this work
(01/03)(15:35:05) <kanarip> that's what i meant, not just amongst existing translator contributors
(01/03)(15:35:17) <FrancescoUgolini> +yes, naturally
(01/03)(15:35:28) <kanarip> good
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(01/03)(15:36:12) <Southern_Gentlem> +Ben Williams
(01/03)(15:36:31) <FrancescoUgolini> +Our goals are to promote fedora, and we have to work hard
(01/03)(15:36:43) <FrancescoUgolini> +to make this possible
(01/03)(15:37:14) <Southern_Gentlem> +sorry JamesBenWilliams ambassador
(01/03)(15:37:59) <FrancescoUgolini> +i think it will better to create some talks in single country and follow those trough the wiki
(01/03)(15:38:18) <FrancescoUgolini> +Southern_Gentlem, welcome on board
(01/03)(15:38:49) <FrancescoUgolini> +if someone has something to say this is the time.
(01/03)(15:39:52) <Southern_Gentlem> +if there somewhere published when the meeting will be (sorry newbie)
(01/03)(15:39:52) 13-FrancescoUgolini- +have you complete the CLA, because to accept your ambassador M-L subscription i need to know this thing
(01/03)(15:40:07) <FrancescoUgolini> +http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/FedoraMeetingChannel
(01/03)(15:40:14) <Southern_Gentlem> +thankyou
(01/03)(15:40:37) <FrancescoUgolini> +and http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings
(01/03)(15:40:41) <FrancescoUgolini> +Southern_Gentlem, np
(01/03)(15:40:56) -> -FrancescoUgolini- yes i have
(01/03)(15:41:11) 13-FrancescoUgolini- +so i'll accept your request
(01/03)(15:41:47) <FrancescoUgolini> +ok, we can close this issue, and start the next one: Event
(01/03)(15:41:47) <jmbuser> -thanks from me, too
(01/03)(15:41:59) <FrancescoUgolini> +np
(01/03)(15:43:00) <FrancescoUgolini> +Someone has something to say about his/her event?
(01/03)(15:43:08) <kital> +!
(01/03)(15:43:37) <FrancescoUgolini> +Kick_,
(01/03)(15:43:41) <FrancescoUgolini> +ops kital
(01/03)(15:43:47) <kital> +;-) Mar 3-4
(01/03)(15:44:11) <pyxel> +I'll me in Munich next week, so if there any event let me know
(01/03)(15:44:16) <pyxel> +I'll be*
(01/03)(15:44:29) <kital> +Chemnitzer Linuxtage this Weekend we have SWAG from Fosdem and Hardware from Redhat Stgt
(01/03)(15:44:42) <kital> +this is a HomeOriented Event
(01/03)(15:44:53) <kital> +with about 5000 People
(01/03)(15:45:01) <kital> +maybe more
(01/03)(15:45:32) <kital> +we are only 2 Ambassadors there because JensKuehnel will give talks and will not at the booth
(01/03)(15:46:00) <kital> +but we will rock the show
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(01/03)(15:46:41) <FrancescoUgolini> +yes, i think too
(01/03)(15:46:43) <kital> +we will demonstrate also the Fedora Directory Server to the more academic audit
(01/03)(15:47:06) <kital> +eof
(01/03)(15:47:18) <kanarip> nice
(01/03)(15:47:39) <kanarip> kital, any materials you are using to demonstrate FDS, like a presentation or such?
(01/03)(15:47:53) <FrancescoUgolini> +kanarip, just Jens :)
(01/03)(15:47:56) <kital> +no we will show it live
(01/03)(15:47:57) <jmbuser> -kital: sounds great
(01/03)(15:48:00) <kanarip> i'd like to do this in my company as well
(01/03)(15:48:26) <kital> +everybody can try it at our booth
(01/03)(15:48:50) <jlgaddis> +kital: If you have a presentation, please do share.  I'd like to be able to convince $management that we should upgrade our existing OpenLDAP cluster (~150k users) to FDS.
(01/03)(15:48:51) <kanarip> yeah just wondered if you had the presentation materials... i wouldn't have to re-invent the wheel :)
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(01/03)(15:49:00) <FrancescoUgolini> +kital, which servers will you use?
(01/03)(15:49:46) <ChitleshGoorah> +kanarip: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Presentations
(01/03)(15:49:59) <kital> +notebooks and maybe a Solaris E220r
(01/03)(15:50:50) <kanarip> thanks ChitleshGoorah
(01/03)(15:51:07) <FrancescoUgolini> +perfect
(01/03)(15:51:12) <kital> +kanarip http://www.jekkt.com/talks/Fedora-Directory-Server-fedora-en.pdf
(01/03)(15:51:26) <FrancescoUgolini> +can you make photos/videos of this activity ?
(01/03)(15:51:41) <ChitleshGoorah> +we will try to make
(01/03)(15:52:06) <kital> +i will ;-)
(01/03)(15:52:07) <ChitleshGoorah> +kital: can you bring me my rj45 and the posters
(01/03)(15:52:08) <FrancescoUgolini> +Do you need something ?
(01/03)(15:52:13) <kital> +yes
(01/03)(15:52:21) <kital> +is loaded and ready
(01/03)(15:52:22) <ChitleshGoorah> +nice
(01/03)(15:52:41) <kital> +eof
(01/03)(15:52:47) <kanarip> nice kital
(01/03)(15:52:48) <FrancescoUgolini> +from FAmSCo and, if is possible, from me ?
(01/03)(15:53:24) <kital> +another ambassador at the booth ;-)
(01/03)(15:53:28) <kital> +eof
(01/03)(15:53:57) <FrancescoUgolini> +I can follow this, i whis it, but it's far from my city and an airplan
(01/03)(15:54:01) <FrancescoUgolini> +now cost too much
(01/03)(15:54:13) <FrancescoUgolini> +i've to reserve a ticket two months before
(01/03)(15:54:31) <FrancescoUgolini> +*i can't
(01/03)(15:54:32) <FrancescoUgolini> +sorry
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(01/03)(15:55:56) <FrancescoUgolini> +and try to take a train is just impossible because the italian reail system has a bad online service and it's not sincronized with the other reail systems
(01/03)(15:55:58) <FrancescoUgolini> +eof
(01/03)(15:56:09) <FrancescoUgolini> +Do you have questions?
(01/03)(15:56:15) <ChitleshGoorah> +yes I have one :)
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(01/03)(15:56:25) <FrancescoUgolini> +perfect, ask us
(01/03)(15:57:10) <ChitleshGoorah> +sorry, perhaps it has already been discussed in the meeting but since I wasn't here, I just wanted to know what has been discussed during this meeting about karsten's idea ?
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(01/03)(15:57:53) <ChitleshGoorah> +eof
(01/03)(15:58:04) <FrancescoUgolini> +people agree
(01/03)(15:58:36) <ChitleshGoorah> +during this meeting ?
(01/03)(15:58:41) <FrancescoUgolini> +but it was underlined that ambassador activity is first of all to use this slides
(01/03)(15:58:46) <FrancescoUgolini> +ChitleshGoorah, yes
(01/03)(15:58:54) <FrancescoUgolini> +ChitleshGoorah, moment
(01/03)(15:59:20) <FrancescoUgolini> +<kanarip> i think it may be important to emphasize that not the ambassadors of a country/region are to translate everything themselves, rather then organize to get it done
(01/03)(15:59:39) <FrancescoUgolini> +<FrancescoUgolini> Ambassadors can help translating this one, but as we know there is a big community of translator that working excellent
(01/03)(15:59:50) <ChitleshGoorah> +ok
(01/03)(15:59:54) <FrancescoUgolini> + The main activity of the ambassadors will be to promote this work
(01/03)(16:00:03) <ChitleshGoorah> +apart from translation, who will do what ?
(01/03)(16:00:36) <FrancescoUgolini> +i think ambassadors  have to work on the proof concept, so made the official presentation
(01/03)(16:01:02) <FrancescoUgolini> +after Translators with the help of some Ambassador will translate this one
(01/03)(16:01:20) <FrancescoUgolini> +and the Ambassador and Fedora contributor will spread this widely in their country
(01/03)(16:02:00) <ChitleshGoorah> +who will work on the presentation ?
(01/03)(16:02:26) <ChitleshGoorah> +how do we obtain the information ?
(01/03)(16:02:31) <FrancescoUgolini> +I think you have just done a perfect work with the fc6 presentations
(01/03)(16:02:36) <ChitleshGoorah> +when is the deadline ?
(01/03)(16:02:37) <FrancescoUgolini> +*presentation
(01/03)(16:02:59) <ChitleshGoorah> +we are right now working for f7
(01/03)(16:03:02) <FrancescoUgolini> +We have just to ask developer which will be the effectively feauture
(01/03)(16:03:03) <ChitleshGoorah> +right?
(01/03)(16:03:16) <FrancescoUgolini> +features
(01/03)(16:03:51) <ChitleshGoorah> +who will ask and when ?
(01/03)(16:04:04) <FrancescoUgolini> +I think the deadline will be with F7 translation freeze
(01/03)(16:04:08) <FrancescoUgolini> +ops
(01/03)(16:04:16) <FrancescoUgolini> +i think with test 3 released
(01/03)(16:05:58) <ChitleshGoorah> +I welcome you guys present right now to have a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/7 that job "of asking developers/maintainer" has already been done
(01/03)(16:06:47) <FrancescoUgolini> +yes i've just read the page
(01/03)(16:06:56) <ChitleshGoorah> +the feature list is being kept updated by appropriate contributor
(01/03)(16:06:57) <FrancescoUgolini> +but there are many ideas but not certains
(01/03)(16:07:43) <couf> +ACTION tunes in
(01/03)(16:07:48) <ChitleshGoorah> +true, if one keep himself/herself updated about these pages,
(01/03)(16:07:55) <couf> +shouldn't quaid be in this discussion?
(01/03)(16:08:16) <ChitleshGoorah> +that information will help that ambassador during "questions&answers"
(01/03)(16:08:41) <ChitleshGoorah> +I bet most of us don't know the task of nouveau in the F7 release
(01/03)(16:09:26) <ChitleshGoorah> +so are different topics
(01/03)(16:10:09) <FrancescoUgolini> +i know the ideas behind it, but i don't know surely if wirless firmware will be integrated
(01/03)(16:10:24) <ChitleshGoorah> +I have the impression fedora marketing and fedora ambassadors are fighting other distributions and trying to copy and market what others have done or simply have
(01/03)(16:10:31) <couf> ++1 get this stuff off the Releases-page, create a description
(01/03)(16:10:36) <couf> +and see what will happen
(01/03)(16:10:52) <couf> +we could have the stuff done in advance, even if it doesn't appear in the final release
(01/03)(16:10:58) <ChitleshGoorah> +FrancescoUgolini: you are not the only one here, there are lots of ambassadors who needs to be informed of that information
(01/03)(16:11:08) <FrancescoUgolini> +ChitleshGoorah, personally i don't know waht other ditribution are doing
(01/03)(16:11:18) <FrancescoUgolini> +ChitleshGoorah, ah yes, true
(01/03)(16:12:42) <ChitleshGoorah> +the fedora ambassadors have accomplished great work, but if people in the fedora marketing or fedora ambassadors just reply "+1" in every mail, then that great work won't be of that importance
(01/03)(16:12:55) <ChitleshGoorah> + the fedora project have accomplished great work,
(01/03)(16:14:15) <ChitleshGoorah> +eof
(01/03)(16:14:53) <FrancescoUgolini> +yes, i agree in this consideration, we need to improve the partecipation of people
(01/03)(16:15:04) <FrancescoUgolini> +eof
(01/03)(16:15:10) <FrancescoUgolini> +have you other questions?
(01/03)(16:15:15) <FrancescoUgolini> +3
(01/03)(16:15:19) <couf> +who's starting this stuff?
(01/03)(16:15:19) <ChitleshGoorah> +!
(01/03)(16:15:32) <FrancescoUgolini> +couf, which?
(01/03)(16:15:33) <FrancescoUgolini> +ChitleshGoorah,
(01/03)(16:16:09) <ChitleshGoorah> +what is the purpose of having weekly fedora ambassador meetings ?
(01/03)(16:16:24) <couf> +FrancescoUgolini: who's taking the task to work out the basic version
(01/03)(16:16:28) <FrancescoUgolini> +at the begginig to discuss about events and some proposal
(01/03)(16:16:53) <FrancescoUgolini> +and to discuss about project priorities
(01/03)(16:17:18) <ChitleshGoorah> +after discussions, what happens ?
(01/03)(16:17:34) <FrancescoUgolini> +couf, ChitleshGoorah have yet a presentation, we have to know the F7 and then put those in the slides
(01/03)(16:17:54) <ChitleshGoorah> +what are our late decisions for the best of the fedora project ?
(01/03)(16:17:55) <couf> +FrancescoUgolini: err, who's talking about slides?
(01/03)(16:18:02) <FrancescoUgolini> +ChitleshGoorah, that, theorically, we decide our actvity
(01/03)(16:18:20) <FrancescoUgolini> + the basic version
(01/03)(16:18:24) <FrancescoUgolini> +you have say
(01/03)(16:18:27) <FrancescoUgolini> +said
(01/03)(16:18:40) <ChitleshGoorah> +FrancescoUgolini: i thought ambassador decides himself/herself her activity and post it to wiki/FedoraEvents
(01/03)(16:18:47) <ChitleshGoorah> +what are our late decisions for the best of the fedora project ?
(01/03)(16:18:48) <FrancescoUgolini> +yes, in fact
(01/03)(16:19:19) <FrancescoUgolini> +The problem is that people don't attend this meetings, so it's impossible to take decisions
(01/03)(16:19:35) <FrancescoUgolini> +we have tried with merging issue but  we were 9 people
(01/03)(16:19:49) <ChitleshGoorah> +any one willing to answer me here?
(01/03)(16:20:01) <ChitleshGoorah> +merging of ML is not for the best of the Fedora Project
(01/03)(16:20:14) <couf> +ChitleshGoorah: I think not, we've been working around our basic priority
(01/03)(16:20:29) <couf> +trying to avoid the basic task we as a project have
(01/03)(16:20:39) * BobJensen-Away is now known as BobJensen
(01/03)(16:20:39) <ChitleshGoorah> +what is our basic priority ?
(01/03)(16:21:10) <couf> +telling people about Fedora, promoting and helping people get involved
(01/03)(16:21:24) <FrancescoUgolini> +for me is not a problem to delete weekly meeting, but we have to ask Fedora Ambassadors to take this decision
(01/03)(16:21:43) <JamesBenWilliams> -from the website
(01/03)(16:21:45) <JamesBenWilliams> -# Represent Fedora Project to the wider public
(01/03)(16:21:45) <JamesBenWilliams> -# Help spread the word about Fedora, Linux, and Open Source
(01/03)(16:21:45) <JamesBenWilliams> -# Be a point of contact for local community members and channel the feedback to Fedora Project
(01/03)(16:21:45) <JamesBenWilliams> -# Help recruit project contributors
(01/03)(16:21:45) <JamesBenWilliams> -# Think of creative ways for promoting Fedora in your region
(01/03)(16:22:24) <ChitleshGoorah> +thanks JamesBenWilliams i know whats written on the wiki page :) I just wanted to know if other people know that too
(01/03)(16:22:32) <kital> +i will do exactly this and more - but now i will go ;-)
(01/03)(16:22:35) <kital> +cu ;-)
(01/03)(16:22:40) <FrancescoUgolini> +Alex used weekly meeting to discuss about events
(01/03)(16:23:18) <JamesBenWilliams> -ChitleshGoorah, so i am not following you question
(01/03)(16:23:29) <FrancescoUgolini> +if we are sure it's only lost time, we will drop it
(01/03)(16:23:45) <ChitleshGoorah> +not we are not spending time for nothing
(01/03)(16:24:11) <ChitleshGoorah> +ke4qqq: did you talk about your effort for FedoraLibraries ?
(01/03)(16:24:17) <ChitleshGoorah> +in this meeting ?
(01/03)(16:24:30) <couf> +ACTION has to go for a while aswell, maybe  talk about this later
(01/03)(16:24:44) <FrancescoUgolini> +i ask in channel: <FrancescoUgolini> Someone has something to say about his/her event?
(01/03)(16:25:17) <FrancescoUgolini> +and in another part if someone want to discuss about some issue
(01/03)(16:25:18) <JamesBenWilliams> -?
(01/03)(16:25:39) <JamesBenWilliams> -is there a list of events anywhere
(01/03)(16:25:50) <ChitleshGoorah> +what is the status of SecondLife ?
(01/03)(16:25:56) <FrancescoUgolini> +JamesBenWilliams, yes
(01/03)(16:26:10) <ChitleshGoorah> +are we going through or is it way to expensive ?
(01/03)(16:26:15) <FrancescoUgolini> +ChitleshGoorah, i don't know we have toi ask to the assigned ambassador
(01/03)(16:26:25) <kital> +http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents (i am not here :-)
(01/03)(16:26:45) <FrancescoUgolini> +he doesn't send famsco or M-L nothing about the project
(01/03)(16:27:01) <FrancescoUgolini> +we have to give people a deadline
(01/03)(16:27:04) <ChitleshGoorah> +does FAMSCo have a record about what they talked recently ?
(01/03)(16:27:23) <FrancescoUgolini> +ChitleshGoorah, we have the log and the archives
(01/03)(16:27:31) <FrancescoUgolini> +but are closed
(01/03)(16:27:37) <ChitleshGoorah> +ok
(01/03)(16:27:44) <ChitleshGoorah> +summaries ?
(01/03)(16:27:51) <FrancescoUgolini> +we can work on those
(01/03)(16:27:56) <FrancescoUgolini> +good idea
(01/03)(16:28:03) <ChitleshGoorah> +its not an idea !
(01/03)(16:28:25) <FrancescoUgolini> +ChitleshGoorah, we haven't summaried right now
(01/03)(16:28:30) <FrancescoUgolini> +*summaries
(01/03)(16:30:42) <BobJensen> +And then there was silence...
(01/03)(16:30:42) <ChitleshGoorah> +I think given the actual situation, the fedora ambassador project should take Fedora Extras project as example in terms of infrastructure
(01/03)(16:31:51) <FrancescoUgolini> +yes, it's the best solution
(01/03)(16:31:59) <FrancescoUgolini> +but we have different task to fullfil
(01/03)(16:32:13) <FrancescoUgolini> +that extras one
(01/03)(16:32:26) <ChitleshGoorah> +i mean the same way when proposals are brought forward in the team
(01/03)(16:32:34) <FrancescoUgolini> +ah yes
(01/03)(16:33:24) <FrancescoUgolini> +we have to study on the extras processes and then try to backport those in our project
(01/03)(16:33:29) <FrancescoUgolini> +ok?
(01/03)(16:33:57) * FrancescoUgolini changes topic to 'http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/FedoraMeetingChannel -- Meetings often get logged -- see schedule in the wiki for next meeting'
(01/03)(16:35:24) <BobJensen> +So that was the meeting then?
(01/03)(16:35:59) <FrancescoUgolini> +yes, it's like an informal one
(01/03)(16:36:03) <FrancescoUgolini> +we are 6 at al
(01/03)(16:36:13) <FrancescoUgolini> +*all
(01/03)(16:36:15) <jlgaddis> +Sorry I couldn't be here for more, had a meeting here at $work
(01/03)(16:36:47) <FrancescoUgolini> +i think we can adjourn the meeting, and ask: first, if weekly meeting are actually usefull; second, ask to backport extrax voting/discussion processes
(01/03)(16:36:51) <FrancescoUgolini> +ok ?
(01/03)(16:37:03) <JamesBenWilliams> -ok so now fedora marketing and the ambassadors are 2 different entities?
(01/03)(16:37:13) <FrancescoUgolini> +yes
(01/03)(16:37:20) <JamesBenWilliams> -why
(01/03)(16:37:35) <FrancescoUgolini> +Marketing is a sub-project with different activity
(01/03)(16:37:57) <FrancescoUgolini> +ok, see this www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MergingIssue
(01/03)(16:37:59) <JamesBenWilliams> -that seems like a duplication of resources IMHO
(01/03)(16:38:10) <FrancescoUgolini> +see the FAmSCo official response
(01/03)(16:39:04) <FrancescoUgolini> +and read Wade, Whetsel and Chitlesh posts
(01/03)(16:39:40) <FrancescoUgolini> +it's all ok?
(01/03)(16:39:44) <FrancescoUgolini> +i've to go
(01/03)(16:40:00) <JamesBenWilliams> -thanks
(01/03)(16:40:12) <FrancescoUgolini> +JamesBenWilliams, if you have other questions please ask here
(01/03)(16:40:31) <JamesBenWilliams> -trying to get my bearings as they say
(01/03)(16:41:11) <FrancescoUgolini> +they?
(01/03)(16:41:30) <FrancescoUgolini> +ChitleshGoorah, do you want to add something ?
(01/03)(16:41:47) <FrancescoUgolini> +Someone has to add something else?
(01/03)(16:41:55) <ChitleshGoorah> +JamesBenWilliams: "marketing"  can be considered as a group of people who *talked*, and ambassadors as a group of people who would *do*
(01/03)(16:42:08) <ChitleshGoorah> +eof
(01/03)(16:42:09) <BobJensen> +ChitleshGoorah: that is bull shit
(01/03)(16:42:28) <BobJensen> +ChitleshGoorah: and quite honestly I am sick of hearing that
(01/03)(16:42:29) <ChitleshGoorah> +BobJensen: would you like to do something to enhance it :)
(01/03)(16:43:11) <FrancescoUgolini> +eheh
(01/03)(16:43:16) <ChitleshGoorah> +so why not make it public ? you were on famsco before. why not do something to improve things
(01/03)(16:44:05) <FrancescoUgolini> +If all is ok, we can adjourn the meeting, ok ?
(01/03)(16:44:06) <BobJensen> +I have been an Ambassador since the beginning, honestly right now I have 676 UNREAD emails related to ambassadors
(01/03)(16:44:07) <FrancescoUgolini> ++1
(01/03)(16:44:20) <JamesBenWilliams> -+1
(01/03)(16:44:28) <jmbuser> -+1
(01/03)(16:45:08) <JamesBenWilliams> -ChitleshGoorah, i am new and this sounds almost so clickish that it is scarey
(01/03)(16:45:08) <BobJensen> +The only reason Ambassadors "got things done" is because there was a vision and money behind getting those things done
(01/03)(16:45:32) <BobJensen> +with a little bit of direction Marketing could have also
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(01/03)(16:47:13) <ChitleshGoorah> +my main focus for now is how far quality is provided by a fedora ambassador in terms of spreading the fedora word and progress when money is being supplied to him by the fedora project ?
(01/03)(16:48:13) <ChitleshGoorah> +BobJensen: if you go through your mails you will send that only about 30 ambassadors out of 170 really cares and participates
(01/03)(16:48:20) <ChitleshGoorah> +s/send/see
(01/03)(16:49:04) <BobJensen> +ChitleshGoorah: Yes and the signal to noise ratio is still very high
(01/03)(16:49:35) <ChitleshGoorah> +true, i just hate it
(01/03)(16:50:27) <BobJensen> +ChitleshGoorah: same with the meetings
(01/03)(16:50:55) * kanarip agrees
(01/03)(16:51:21) <ChitleshGoorah> +I disagree. If you look at my questions above,
(01/03)(16:51:29) <jmbuser> -Gentlemen: I founded and led a user group for 5 years a few years back. There are some parallels between that experience and what I understand the current situation is here. Since I'm new here, I'm still hanging back until i understand the situation better.
(01/03)(16:51:39) <BobJensen> +ChitleshGoorah: "Roberts rules of order" or something like that might help the meetings a lot
(01/03)(16:52:02) <ChitleshGoorah> +you will notice that many don't have the real answer, its a pity
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(01/03)(16:52:18) <jmbuser> -ChitleshGoorah: Some structure is required.
(01/03)(16:52:44) <ChitleshGoorah> +for the meetings or the items to do before F7 release
(01/03)(16:52:47) <ChitleshGoorah> +?
(01/03)(16:52:55) <kanarip> some structure still is a lot more then the last two meetings i've attended
(01/03)(16:53:15) <kanarip> -> for the meetings
(01/03)(16:53:24) <ChitleshGoorah> +kanarip: there is a structure but it was meant for more than 10 attendees
(01/03)(16:53:48) <FrancescoUgolini> +in fact
(01/03)(16:53:57) <kanarip> i recommend you have structure no matter how much attendees you have
(01/03)(16:54:52) <ke4qqq> +i agree with kanarip, have to be able to scale - and regardless of how small no structure typically means no forward movement (sorry for my absence earlier)
(01/03)(16:54:53) <kanarip> there's a QA meeting in here in 10 minutes
(01/03)(16:55:10) <FrancescoUgolini> +i know
(01/03)(16:55:15) <kanarip> if we are going to continue this, maybe we should take it elsewhere?
(01/03)(16:55:20) <FrancescoUgolini> +in fact iask to adjourn it
(01/03)(16:55:32) <kanarip> adjourn this meeting +1
(01/03)(16:56:12) <ChitleshGoorah> +ke4qqq: having 171 ambassadors registered and bearly 6/7 is present per meeting, I'm sorry it's a shame .
(01/03)(16:57:00) <jmbuser> -let's continue to this elsewhere
(01/03)(16:57:10) <FrancescoUgolini> +ChitleshGoorah, +1
(01/03)(16:57:22) <ke4qqq> +I concur.....but due to the distributed nature we'll never get even 1/2 here......even in the beginning we rarely had more than 10-15
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(01/03)(16:58:27) <ChitleshGoorah> +ke4qqq: i meant for the fedora ambassador meetings and it's attendees and not those present on this channel :)
(01/03)(16:58:46) <FrancescoUgolini> +yes
(01/03)(16:58:55) <FrancescoUgolini> +ok i think we have finshed our time
(01/03)(16:59:07) <ke4qqq> +FrancescoUgolini: sorry.....
(01/03)(16:59:09) <FrancescoUgolini> +we can move the discussion on #fedora-mktg
(01/03)(16:59:09) <ke4qqq> +ACTION shuts up now
(01/03)(16:59:48) <FrancescoUgolini> +ChitleshGoorah, do you agree if we adjourn the meeting and we finish the discussion on #fedora-mktg ?
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(01/03)(16:59:59) <ChitleshGoorah> +I'm ok with it
(01/03)(17:00:06) <jmbuser> -Yes
(01/03)(17:00:06) <FrancescoUgolini> +ok
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(01/03)(17:00:15) <FrancescoUgolini> +== Meeting Adjourned ==
(01/03)(17:00:28) <FrancescoUgolini> +kanarip, please if you have time send me the log
(01/03)(17:00:35) <FrancescoUgolini> +thanks to all to be part of this meeting
(01/03)(17:01:12) <kanarip> i'll do so now
(01/03)(17:01:26) <FrancescoUgolini> +thanks
